Are Deep Cycle Batteries AGM or Gel

Deep cycle batteries can be either AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) or gel batteries. These are two common types of deep cycle batteries, each with its own characteristics and advantages.

  1. AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) Batteries:

    • AGM batteries use a special type of glass mat separator that absorbs and holds the electrolyte (acid) between the battery plates.
    • They are known for their sealed design, making them maintenance-free and preventing acid leakage even if the battery is damaged.
    • AGM batteries are typically more resistant to vibration and shock, making them suitable for various applications, including recreational vehicles (RVs), boats, and renewable energy systems.
  2. Gel Batteries:

    • Gel batteries use a gel-like electrolyte that is immobilized within the battery cells.
    • They are also maintenance-free and spill-proof because of their sealed design.
    • Gel batteries are known for their deep cycling capabilities, making them ideal for applications where a steady and deep discharge is common, such as in solar power systems and electric wheelchairs.

So what will it be AGM or Gel?

Both AGM and gel batteries are considered deep cycle batteries, which means they are designed to handle repeated charging and discharging cycles without suffering from reduced capacity or performance. The choice between AGM and gel batteries depends on the specific requirements of the application and the preferences of the user, as well as factors like cost, maintenance, and environmental conditions.

Some products to consider might be:

Why you can't use a Lead Acid charger on Lithium Batteries

The importance of using the correct charger for lithium batteries becomes apparent when comparing standard 12V lead acid batteries used for deep cycle applications with their lithium counterparts. Although the nominal voltages may seem similar, with lead acid ranging from 12.5V to 12.9V and lithium exceeding 13V, it is essential to understand the differences in charging behavior and requirements.

Lead acid chargers typically allow a longer duration for bulk charging, around 20 hours, while lithium batteries require a much shorter time, usually 4 to 5 hours. This discrepancy arises because the charger's capacity should be within 20-25% of the lithium battery's fully rated capacity. Rushing the charging process for lithium batteries can cause overheating, potential faults, and failures in the Battery Management System (BMS).

The subsequent charging stage, known as the Absorption stage, differs significantly between lead acid and lithium batteries. Lead acid batteries exhibit increased internal resistance as they approach their maximum capacity, absorbing every last bit of energy. This process, accounting for 40% of the total charged capacity, brings the battery to around 80% state of charge (SOC). However, lithium batteries do not require this absorption phase. Instead, the charger algorithm typically transitions straight to a float voltage as the lithium battery is already at 80-90% SOC. The purpose of the float voltage is to slowly balance the remaining capacity without overloading or overheating the BMS. During this absorption charge, the balancing system may activate, and the BMS may initiate a shutdown to allow the unit to cool down and the cell voltages to return to nominal levels. These additional stressors on the BMS can compromise its functionality and longevity.

It is important to note that other charging issues, such as thermal runaway, can occur when using the incorrect charger. These issues further strain the cells and contribute to the premature degradation of the battery. Lithium battery lifecycles are typically measured in years rather than cycles. While the claim that "it works fine" may initially seem valid within the first year, a lithium battery is often sold with the expectation of a 10-year lifespan and 6000 cycles. Evaluating its usable power and performance at the five-year mark will reveal whether the battery is still functioning as originally advertised.

In summary, using the correct charger for lithium batteries is crucial due to the significant differences in charging behavior, absorption stages, and BMS requirements. Neglecting these considerations can lead to safety risks, compromised performance, and a shortened battery lifespan.

Will 540 watts and a big battery bank allow me to go off-grid full time?

We get asked questions like this all the time and I guess most would say yes that will be fine, some might say it depends on your load requirements, few would say no. The answer lies within the maths and calculations of your power consumption which is subtracted from your power generation. To work this out you take the power of each device and how long it's used for to get a daily demand. Now there are also peak loads and hours of minimal usage but for now, let's just work with a total figure for the day then divide that by 24 hours. 

We recently investigated a system where the customer had spent over $6500 on multiple replacement batteries & upgrades to the charging and solar system on top of the base installation the motorhome came with to resolve their shortfall. Only a few years ago a 150W panel and a 220Ah or 260Ah battery were all your motorhome came with which would be considered only a mid-sized occasional off-grid solution now. Many still don't have anything more, especially those vehicles out of Europe built for the rental market unless upgraded locally.

Their new setup included 540W (3 x 180W) Solar panels and 2 x 270Ah AGM batteries, DC charging from the alternator but it turns out they don't actually travel that much. The panels are connected in parallel into a 20A solar controller and they have 50A of AC Battery Chargers they run off a generator if the batteries get low. As it turns out that means they run the generator every second day to ensure they keep the batteries above 12.5 volts so they will get 5 years cycle from them.

With a moderate 5A discharge per hour, 24 hours a day the performance figures of their new system look like this:

540W-Solar-w-540Ah-batteries FAQs

We didn't want to alter the chart in any way to correct the errors we can see but we will explain something to clarify. The last column is headed LOLP meaning Likelihood Of Lost Power. in the months of May through to July there is Zero % of the system working and Battery State of Charge will be 100% discharged. But you will notice in Jan - Mar then Oct - Dec there is less than 1% chance of the system failing. April it's 50/50 and in August an 80% chance based on the last few years sun hours in the Coromandel when the panels are mounted flat on the roof of your motorhome. The reason the chart is displaying errors is nobody with this level of information would actually design-build, or implement a system that is shown to fail. The system would require over 1kW of solar to be able to maintain a 5A continuous load (120Ah but 133.3Ah when losses are included daily). You can see days carry over for the batteries is only 3 days without sun and that in summer months in the southern hemisphere you'd have plenty of excess power.

That might lead some people to figure out that 540W of solar far exceeds the 20A controller included. But over the summer months, the battery will fully recharge from the max 50A discharge from overnight in the first 3 hours of sun in the morning so will be in float mode only supplying discharge load at midday in the full summer sun. With the large array size, you have the benefit of collecting more of the low-level power for longer over the winter months. It's just not enough to meet demand.